Arionum AMA
2020.02.23 (Discord) #
joehodl02/22/2020:
I have a question or maybe a couple How to get current supply. And is there a richlist? !network OK that didn’t work lol
ario02/22/2020:
@joehodl https://arionum.info/rich and for current supply try !supply command Arionum Block Explorer
joehodl02/22/2020:
!supply Thanks :) There’s a daily emission of nearly 200k aro?
EGG02/22/2020:
I forward my questions for the AMA already since I won’t be here tmrw. How can we as a community be more involved and therefore help the project better? Will there be a bigger focus on content creation, communication and marketing? Is Icusu still involved and would it make sense to build a community based marketing team if there are volunteers? How many hours are going into ARO weekly? Are there any ideas to create more assets or how to get people to use the asset system? Are the devs still motivated and passionate about the project? What would a roadmap for 2020 look like?
fonship02/23/2020:
@EGG thanks for asking my questions :slight_smile: @AroDev it will be good if you can make announcement and tell people time and place for AMA for tomorrow. This will ensure some project supporters to be available to participate.
AroDev02/23/2020:
Let’s keep it here in discord as everyone’s already here. Time: 12:00 CET You can start posting your question from today as @EGG did
fonship02/23/2020:
AMA Date and time for everyone to easily understand, may be easier to calculate for other time zones
fonship02/23/2020:
Congrats to ARO https://twitter.com/qtradeio/status/1231337826538729473?s=21
qTrade (@qTradeio) We’ve decided to close the Early Access program. This is a hard decision for us, but allows dedicating more resources to expand automated systems. We’ll be upgrading $ARO to a full listing and delisting $HLS, $WEBD, and $MCM. Full details: https://t.co/EjLNvvVqX6 Twitter
fonship02/23/2020:
:slight_smile:
AroDev02/23/2020:
So, we’re ready to start!
fonship02/23/2020:
can you tag everyone or channel or announcement
AroDev02/23/2020:
Done
AroDev02/23/2020:
Q: “What are team changes between now and previous year? if any.” @fonship On the development team, nothing is changed. There are some people missing from the council, but i guess it’s to be expected
farelka902/23/2020:
any plans to make AVX2 or SHA cpu optimized miner? :
fonship02/23/2020:
@bogdanadnan may be miner question that you can help
AroDev02/23/2020:
“How much time core dev team spend on ARO related work? per month or per week?” @fonship It varies from month to month. I can speak for myself here, if i’m developing something probably 7-8h a day until it’s ready. Otherwise, responding to PMs, checking the blockchain status, pools, mns etc.. less than 1h/day
ScorpioMoon02/23/2020:
I will forward the questions EGG gathered for the AMA: I forward my questions for the AMA already since I won’t be here tmrw.
How can we as a community be more involved and therefore help the project better?
Will there be a bigger focus on content creation, communication and marketing?
Is Icusu still involved and would it make sense to build a community based marketing team if there are volunteers?
How many hours are going into ARO weekly?
Are there any ideas to create more assets or how to get people to use the asset system?
Are the devs still motivated and passionate about the project?
What would a roadmap for 2020 look like?
AroDev02/23/2020:
“any plans to make AVX2 or SHA cpu optimized miner? :” @farelka9 I’m afraid i do not develop miners.
fonship02/23/2020:
@farelka9 i believe CPU miners already support AVX2
farelka902/23/2020:
any reason why I should be interested or buy Arionum [ARO] coin ?
fonship02/23/2020:
I will wait for some answers for questions by EGG
AroDev02/23/2020:
Q: “any reason why I should be interested or buy Arionum [ARO] coin ?” @farelka9 If you’re interested in the technology, it’s the only time-tested php blockchain available. Regarding why you should buy aro, i’m afraid i do not provide financial advice. Q: “How can we as a community be more involved and therefore help the project better?” The first thing would be to spread the word. We need more people joining and discussing. We need people to actually start using aro. Q: “Will there be a bigger focus on content creation, communication and marketing?” I’m no marketer, that i guess that is clear by now. I’m a programmer and that’s what i know how to do. As we have not made any premine to fund such initiatives, the marketing/content creation should mostly be handled by the community.
fonship02/23/2020:
Can we explore a temporary funding mechanism for project, like for next year 10% of block reward will go to Devs to use for ARO growth? Voting can be done and than decided?
AroDev02/23/2020:
We’ve already tried it with the aropool fee which was somewhat wasted on the airdrop. I’m generally very reluctant to implement such options on the blockchain. If we have to pay for marketing, the costs are extremely high as everyone’s trying to milk a bit projects requiring marketing. And the whole cryptocurrency ecosystem is in depression, there are no new users joining. It depends a lot on what goal do we want to achieve. Do we want to get aro to be used for it’s asset system, to be used to pay for digital services etc. Or do we want just the price to grow so we can get rich fast with the holding.
AroDev02/23/2020:
Q: “why there are no updates on github, on explorer (supply) and website?” @Soyale On github, i only post something if a new feature is implemented or a serious bug fix. I don’t post small things generally. Also, everything is working well now, so no point to add new useless things. On the website, it’s a static website. Nothing much to be added there except the current info. As for the explorer, i’m simply lazy. There have been updates to it regarding the asset system though.
farelka902/23/2020:
is there option to setup masternode on Windows PC? as guides telling only Ubuntu and CentOS7 ? :
@fonship tokens are not coins with own chain - do not think it is good idea
Soyale02/23/2020:
what are the plans for this year,we have asset, smn etc.. any other idea ?
AroDev02/23/2020:
Q: “Can we build an Arionum ERC20 token on Ethereum with 1:1 swap with ARO native token? This will allow to add ARO ERC20 token to be listed for cheap on many other exchanges? Listing is also one part of marketing and bringing new users.” @fonship While it is possible, what would be the point of having our own blockchain/assets. We’d just become another useless token. I do understand that listing would bring more users, this is very true. Our hope with cryptopia was that, but you all know how it ended up. To attract users in this way, we’d need to get listed on a very big exchange and they’d need to implement our blockchain.
AroDev02/23/2020:
I do not see that happening without it costing more than our entire market cap.
fonship02/23/2020:
:slight_smile:
AroDev02/23/2020:
Q:“Devs are still anonymous why? I think it can be problem with listing on bigger exchanges” @Soyale In regards to the exchanges, we’re never anonymous. We’ve always been ok with sharing our data with the exchanges, this is not what is hindering the listing. It’s simply the high costs and low demand for such small coins.
Soyale02/23/2020:
ok
AroDev02/23/2020:
is there option to setup masternode on Windows PC? as guides telling only Ubuntu and CentOS7 ? : @farelka9 Only if you run it as a virtual machine, otherwise the code is designed to work on linux only. Keep in mind though, that the masternode needs to have the same public IP and be available 24/7, it’s not something to be done on a home pc.
Soyale02/23/2020:
any plans / road map for this and next year ?
AroDev02/23/2020:
From a development point of view, just to finish updating the gui lightwallet with the asset/mn functionality and fix whatever bugs i find in the rest of the code. I do not plan on adding new features. On a “marketing” point of view, i am trying to convince some hosting providers to start accepting aro as a payment option Not sure if this would make much of a difference, but it would create another use-case In case i succeed, i will need to launch a public payment gateway. Hopefully, i will discuss with qtrade and maybe offer automatic swap to btc for it, to help get a higher traction.
farelka902/23/2020:
@AroDev well, I am currently running couple masternodes on “home” pc, 24/7 online and public IP is not a problem, if I could I would setup arionium mn as well, but need windows soft to do it… any future plans to make Windows friendly Arionum masternode app ?
AroDev02/23/2020:
Beside this, probably i’ll need to publish some more ideas about how to use the asset system. However, there have been very few questions about it so far and not sure what the interest is. @AroDev well, I am currently running couple masternodes on “home” pc, 24/7 online and public IP is not a problem, if I could I would setup arionium mn as well, but need windows soft to do it… any future plans to make Windows friendly Arionum masternode app ? @farelka9 You can run it with a virtual machine. It should be quite simple setup. I do not have plans to make the code work on windows. natively
farelka902/23/2020:
btw , “documentation” link doesn’t work on the website: http://peer1.arionum.com/doc/ got that never ended spinning circle:
AroDev02/23/2020:
loads ok for me in firefox
Soyale02/23/2020:
working
AroDev02/23/2020:
Q: “bdw.. on website should be more info about asset and how its working (step by step)” @Soyale I plan to do that once i finish with the gui wallet.
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
for me in brave it works fine too
fonship02/23/2020:
Question from EGG: Are there any ideas to create more assets or how to get people to use the asset system?
AroDev02/23/2020:
The sharedmn asset is proving to work very well. I guess that stands as an excellent example on what could be done with the asset system.
fonship02/23/2020:
What are key distinguishing features of asset system on ARO, or we will be another useless asset system like many other chains offering smart contracts?
AroDev02/23/2020:
The main features are related to the simplicity with which you can create an asset. Currently only in the cli wallet, but will soon be added to the GUI as well. Anyone can create an asset very fast and start using it in minutes. The developers can also much easily integrate it in their applications, especially as we’re php based and we have a very nice api. Smart contracts usually require you to run your own node and code the smart contract in a secure way. While with aro, the security is added by default (although it takes a bit of the flexibility) and you can use the public nodes directly. A developer can start integrating it in minutes.
Soyale02/23/2020:
How in future to protect the user against cheaters in asset system? Example not paying for smn etc? any idea? User sends aro without security and can lost this aro ,if assed owner is a cheater
AroDev02/23/2020:
The asset has a feature called dividends only. When that one is set, the asset owner cannot send the funds from the asset wallet except by distribution of dividends to all holders. The users would need to be careful on the setup, especially if they do not trust the asset operator. For example, this is the most secure asset setup for a shared mn:
- Main asset with dividends only, autodividend and non-inflatable, fixed price
- Sub assets owned by the main asset with the same setup for each masternode.
So for the shared mn, it’s a rather simple setup. “However, if you tie the reference to something physical, like shares in a startup, then you can be cheated and i do not think there can be any protection for that except due dilligence.”
Soyale02/23/2020:
thank you
AroDev02/23/2020:
“Is Icusu still involved and would it make sense to build a community based marketing team if there are volunteers?” I guess he’s still around, but probably no as motivated as in the past. We’ve always accepted volunteers for anything and would continue to do so. We’d certainly want to encourage it!
Soyale02/23/2020:
ot - dev pay every month for ~100 servers (smn). For me this is the best example that he believes in this project
fonship02/23/2020:
How can shared masternode assets be made from other projects, for example if i want to create for Dash, how it will work?
AroDev02/23/2020:
You would need to trust the operator in such cases, as with the company shares example above. “The revenue can be converted to aro and distributed on the aro blockchain. Or the aro blockchain can only be used to store the information about the asset holders and maybe about the distributions (like storing the dash hashes, dash addresses for each holder)”
Soyale02/23/2020:
have you plan add smart contract??
AroDev02/23/2020:
No, i prefer the way the asset works.
fonship02/23/2020:
Can a decentralized exchange be build using ARO asset system where exchange itself will have an asset on chain and people can buy stake in exchange and for that whatever exchange earn as transactions or fees will be distributed to exchange asset owners?
AroDev02/23/2020:
Yes, that is possible. I had the idea of creating such exchange for smallcap coins where basically each smallcap coin is an asset created by their developer And they can exchange them to aro and then between themselves Something similar with your erc20 idea above, but with the integrated market feature we have on the blockchain.
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
that sounds awesome
fonship02/23/2020:
yes, but why we need developer to maintain that why can’t it be 1:1 pegged in assest system to exchange between chains or something, dont want a developer dependency
AroDev02/23/2020:
You’d need to integrate each blockchain between themselves mostly to achieve that So you’d create a big monstrous application with all the blockchains
fonship02/23/2020:
can we make a proof of concept to show to everyone, and than as a community we can decide to fund that project if everyone will be buy stake in exchange by buying exchange asset
Soyale02/23/2020:
when binance ? - joke :smile:
fonship02/23/2020:
fuck binance, lets create our own - not a joke :slight_smile:
AroDev02/23/2020:
I don’t see why not. I was thinking to launch a proof of concept with LTC where i’d keep the custody of the ltc and integrate the blockchains. You’d need to trust me with your ltc in this case, but it should work automatically. The main issue here is trust, as someone needs to keep the custody of the funds. I would not do it for all coins, i think it’s best for it to be handled by the developers of each coin. Because if you don’t trust those, especially for small coins, you really shouldn’t hold that coin
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
but if i understand it right, then you need to trust 2 or ? the exchange and the dev from the coin or ?
fonship02/23/2020:
i dont like the trust part, some other way, because I dont like that small coin will be small forever
AroDev02/23/2020:
you need to trust the aro blockchain and the developer of the small coin
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
ok, so another maybe unknown party
AroDev02/23/2020:
I’m afraid there aren’t ways around it. You still need to trust someone if it’s an exchange
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
sure, but then i think 1 should be enough the exchange
fonship02/23/2020:
some multi sig or some other way to make it trustless or that small coin dev to integrated their chain in exchange in a trustless way
AroDev02/23/2020:
That is possible, but i’m not sure if it would happen Because the problem lies on the other blockchain One solution would for them to trust the aro blockchain enough and use it’s api to do certain actions but i really doubt someone would integrate it like that More likely, there will be a bridge created where the custody of the funds will be kept and certain action made based on the aro blockchain, but not direct integration in the other blockchain
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
like cryptobridge handled it if i remember correct
AroDev02/23/2020:
I think it worked similarly as the asset system, but they were holding each asset. My idea is for each developer to keep it Cryptobridge had problems integration non-btc based blockchains While with our idea, there would be no such limitation. Each developer would be able to get himself integrated
fonship02/23/2020:
cryptobridge was bitshares based so they had assest mapped to each coin
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
how much work would it be for other coin devs to handle that ?
fonship02/23/2020:
can we do POC on this idea, one where we need to trust developer and ARO exchange, and one where developer needs to use ARO API to make it little trustless
AroDev02/23/2020:
how much work would it be for other coin devs to handle that ? @Alex | kiramine Considering our API, a decent developer should have it integrated in less than a few hours.
AroDev02/23/2020:
If it’s btc based, we can probably provide the code which would get them integrated in minutes. Just create your asset and setup the script can we do POC on this idea, one where we need to trust developer and ARO exchange, and one where developer needs to use ARO API to make it little trustless @fonship The only difference between the two is at what level is the bridge between the blockchains created. With developer trust, it’s basically a script running on a server owned by the developer which is connected to both blockchains. If a deposit is done on the other coin, the asset unit is sent to the associated wallet on the aro blockchain. If a withdrawal is done on the aro blockchain, the real coin is sent to the associated wallet on the other blockchain. All the sells, buys are done using the asset system on the aro blockchain.
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
that sounds great so far
AroDev02/23/2020:
While for it to work trustless, the other blockchain needs to check the ARO api regularly (and act like the bridge script above). So aro needs api needs to be integrated directly in their blockchain code
fonship02/23/2020:
cool, it sounds worth building our own exchange
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
yeap
AroDev02/23/2020:
The asset system was designed to facilitate such among other things
fonship02/23/2020:
We can structure economic model of exchange earnings something like: 50% exchange assest owners 50% exchange operators —among exchange operators– 20%- Dev group 20%- infra group 60%- cost something like that that will make exchange decentralized in terms of team as well. Team roles and be approved, removed or changed by exchange asset owners based on voting etc
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
sounds good, but decentralized team, i dont know to be honest :thinking:
AroDev02/23/2020:
There are no costs associated with running this setup. The fees would probably need to be taken by each coin developer for withdrawals/deposits. For aro, there are very small fees for the trades and for sending funds or assset units from a wallet to another
fonship02/23/2020:
so no website or no servers needed?
AroDev02/23/2020:
yes
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
what, really ?
fonship02/23/2020:
omg
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
but a nice little trading front end would be needed or ?
AroDev02/23/2020:
each developer would run his own infra for proccessing the deposits and withdrawals be it via a web site or via their wallet software
fonship02/23/2020:
how the order books, transaction history etc?
AroDev02/23/2020:
Everything would be public on the aro blockchain in the explorer
fonship02/23/2020:
but having a common frontend would be more user friendly
AroDev02/23/2020:
the GUI wallet would have such a page if we decide to go on this route where you can see your exchange holdings, send orders, see history etc
fonship02/23/2020:
cool
AroDev02/23/2020:
but it doesn’t need any infra as all data is public on the blockchain
fonship02/23/2020:
how soon we can do a POC on it to decide if we want to go this route
AroDev02/23/2020:
probably after i finish the GUI implementation of assets the main problem here is trusting the other developers, getting such coins interested and informing the users that we are not responsabile for the other coin. Because there’s a big risk of other people trying to scam their way into this or badly implementing it and we do not wish to be responsabiel for that.
fonship02/23/2020:
that will not be an issue, because they are not trusting anyone on ARO side, its just the ARO chain they are talking to, so i think it wont be challenging to convince other devs to bring to the exchange Lets do POC because that will show capability and ability of asset system which will lead to further ideas even if we see exchange route to be risky. This POC will increase understanding about how asset system works
AroDev02/23/2020:
I will do the POC with LTC, as i’ve said above. It will probably help with the integration of some online shops.
fonship02/23/2020:
what other asset based idea you think can bring users or usage to ARO? yeah POC for LTC would work
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
Probably any btc based right ?
AroDev02/23/2020:
yes, the code would be the same for any blockchain based on btc but i wouldn’t create the asset myself except for ltc probably and maybe btc in the future shared mn for other coins would work any type of fundraising for investments
fonship02/23/2020:
can you write something in blog post or something about how shared mn for other coins would work i would be interested to start that
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
Yeap me too
AroDev02/23/2020:
yep, i will write such
fonship02/23/2020:
what else you think can be done, which you expect community to step in or other ideas which might need funding or not etc.
AroDev02/23/2020:
You’d need to come with ideas on what can be done to improve aro and find new ways to use it I’m somewhat limited in this regard I’m out of ideas except the ones i’ve published above
fonship02/23/2020:
i already gave exchange and share mn for other coins :-) now will wait for POC or article to understand more how it works so that i can come up with more ideas
AroDev02/23/2020:
:slight_smile:
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
yeap, sounds like a good plan
fonship02/23/2020:
and iam ideas guy so i will keep coming with more as i understand more as long as someone willing to build and I have lost in octa, lost in cryptopia, so i have covered all painful journey of ARO with it So I am here forever :slight_smile:
AroDev02/23/2020:
i’m glad to have you here :slight_smile: Are the devs still motivated and passionate about the project? I am passionate about programming and i’ve always been. The aro blockchain has been a great achievement for me from a programming point of view, however i’ve mostly accomplished what i had in mind. I think we can finish for today Thank you all for being here!
fonship02/23/2020:
thank you :slight_smile:
Soyale02/23/2020:
thx
Alex | kiramine02/23/2020:
you are welcome :wink: have a nice day guys
EGG02/23/2020:
Thanks a lot
georat02/23/2020:
Thank you
nicefirework02/23/2020:
hello guys, can I run aro blockchain in shared hosting?
AroDev02/23/2020:
If you have a dedicated IP and shell access, it might work. We haven’t tested it in such environment.
nicefirework02/23/2020:
I dont have dedicated ip or shell access, can I run on local host just for testing purpose?
AroDev02/23/2020:
for testing purposes, you can run it on localhost without problems
nicefirework02/23/2020:
are there any tutorial or how to install?
AroDev02/23/2020:
https://forum.arionum.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=17 If you’re on windows, you’ll first need to create a VM
Marques02/24/2020:
I run a node in my apartment for me my ISP has not changed my IP in years. So all I needed to do was open a few ports on my router. Running centos 7 if curious but have done it w Ubuntu as well Lease webs virtual servers are only $15 a month. I have 2 for ARO